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	<title>Comments on: NPR &#8230; NCRJ &#8230; NATHAN (and who else but Eichenwald)</title>
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		<title>By: quietriot</title>
		<link>http://debbienathan.com/2007/10/npr-ncrj-nathan/comment-page-1/#comment-2500</link>
		<dc:creator>quietriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Ms.Nathan I did comment earlier, and sorry not to have confirmed sooner.
So now you&#039;re &quot;promoting underage sex&quot;? Amazing!
And to think that all this time I had no idea that sex amongst kids in their early teens, for example, needed any &quot;promoting&quot;.
How could I be so naive?!
When my friends and I were at the age of eleven or twelve, why weren&#039;t you around &quot;promoting underage sex&quot;?
We might have felt less guilty about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Ms.Nathan I did comment earlier, and sorry not to have confirmed sooner.<br />
So now you&#8217;re &#8220;promoting underage sex&#8221;? Amazing!<br />
And to think that all this time I had no idea that sex amongst kids in their early teens, for example, needed any &#8220;promoting&#8221;.<br />
How could I be so naive?!<br />
When my friends and I were at the age of eleven or twelve, why weren&#8217;t you around &#8220;promoting underage sex&#8221;?<br />
We might have felt less guilty about it.</p>
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		<title>By: StudentofReason</title>
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		<dc:creator>StudentofReason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being pro-underage sex is soo wrong JoAnn?  Well hmm...that does beg several questions.

1) Does that make all of the pro-sex underagers wrong too?
2) Should we be anti-sex in regards to underagers?
3) What is an underager?
4) What do we do with all of these sexual underagers that we already have?  Some states have started putting them on sex-offender registries...is that the right approach?
5) At what age should we start being pro-sex towards other people?
6) Should we be equally sex-negative to a 3 y/o underager and a 15 y/o underager?
7) How do we stop sites like these...ones that you declare &quot;pro-underage sex&quot;...from creating horny, sex obsessed and lustfull underagers as it seems they have done for the last several thousand years...strangely enough...before the printed word even existed.
8) Is it that this site is pro-underage sex or possibly that it is pro-discussion and anti-willful ignorance regarding a reality that already exists?

man...i could come up with several more...maybe you can help me out with those though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being pro-underage sex is soo wrong JoAnn?  Well hmm&#8230;that does beg several questions.</p>
<p>1) Does that make all of the pro-sex underagers wrong too?<br />
2) Should we be anti-sex in regards to underagers?<br />
3) What is an underager?<br />
4) What do we do with all of these sexual underagers that we already have?  Some states have started putting them on sex-offender registries&#8230;is that the right approach?<br />
5) At what age should we start being pro-sex towards other people?<br />
6) Should we be equally sex-negative to a 3 y/o underager and a 15 y/o underager?<br />
7) How do we stop sites like these&#8230;ones that you declare &#8220;pro-underage sex&#8221;&#8230;from creating horny, sex obsessed and lustfull underagers as it seems they have done for the last several thousand years&#8230;strangely enough&#8230;before the printed word even existed. <img src='http://debbienathan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Is it that this site is pro-underage sex or possibly that it is pro-discussion and anti-willful ignorance regarding a reality that already exists?</p>
<p>man&#8230;i could come up with several more&#8230;maybe you can help me out with those though.</p>
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		<title>By: Roy</title>
		<link>http://debbienathan.com/2007/10/npr-ncrj-nathan/comment-page-1/#comment-2497</link>
		<dc:creator>Roy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Nathan, I am all for your position. Your question is: what about this law?

Your point about Eichenwald was well made. Of course we cannot condemn him for getting involved, but, then again, we have to ask on what basis does he get excused legally when he had to have broken the law.

NPR has a republican head but is hardly a pro-republican radio network. Rather the opposite, speaking as a centrist. And, taking the point further, jury members in liberal counties in California are as unwilling as juries drawn from conservative populations to listen to reason about accusations of child sex abuse according to a high-profile defense attorney from California that I know.

That is what you see here with NPR, not a &quot;right-wing conspiracy&quot;, but a total surrender of both sides of the political aisle and the news media to the hysteria generated around the problem.

For Jo Ann Clair: &quot;This site looks pro-underage sex...and that is so wrong&quot;.

Well, gee, that would depend on your definition of underage sex. 14 years old or 16? 10 or 17?

And how, in your mind, would a site that asked the question about Eichenwald be pro-underage sex?

Reminds me of so many controversies in the US such as gun control. You are either supposed to be for banning all guns or lifting all restrictions.

No place for the middle ground,and always the assumption that if you oppose one side in any way, you are automatically for the opposite side of a controversy. People who react this way have abandoned reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Nathan, I am all for your position. Your question is: what about this law?</p>
<p>Your point about Eichenwald was well made. Of course we cannot condemn him for getting involved, but, then again, we have to ask on what basis does he get excused legally when he had to have broken the law.</p>
<p>NPR has a republican head but is hardly a pro-republican radio network. Rather the opposite, speaking as a centrist. And, taking the point further, jury members in liberal counties in California are as unwilling as juries drawn from conservative populations to listen to reason about accusations of child sex abuse according to a high-profile defense attorney from California that I know.</p>
<p>That is what you see here with NPR, not a &#8220;right-wing conspiracy&#8221;, but a total surrender of both sides of the political aisle and the news media to the hysteria generated around the problem.</p>
<p>For Jo Ann Clair: &#8220;This site looks pro-underage sex&#8230;and that is so wrong&#8221;.</p>
<p>Well, gee, that would depend on your definition of underage sex. 14 years old or 16? 10 or 17?</p>
<p>And how, in your mind, would a site that asked the question about Eichenwald be pro-underage sex?</p>
<p>Reminds me of so many controversies in the US such as gun control. You are either supposed to be for banning all guns or lifting all restrictions.</p>
<p>No place for the middle ground,and always the assumption that if you oppose one side in any way, you are automatically for the opposite side of a controversy. People who react this way have abandoned reason.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnn Clair</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnn Clair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And why don&#039;t you just leave Kurt Eichenwald alone? I mean, we about had enough of the whole Berry thing already.

This site does look like pro-underage sex anyway... and that is so wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And why don&#8217;t you just leave Kurt Eichenwald alone? I mean, we about had enough of the whole Berry thing already.</p>
<p>This site does look like pro-underage sex anyway&#8230; and that is so wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Copeland Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Copeland Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw the 2nd DVD on the Friedmans: the one with the movie on it was damaged, so I have yet to see it.  I was very impressed with your poise in that New York premier video, facing the lying detectives.  She obviously thought you would sit down meekly when she took the stage again.
anyhow, here are my questions: &quot;What did Mr. Friedman die of?&quot;  &quot;What happened to Seth? Mrs. Friedman?&quot;  How can we help Jessie?.
In general, what can we the public do, when this kind of public hysteria grows around us?  the witchhunting instinct seems to be part of this lynch mob mentality we get into in this country from time to time......almost cyclically.  The United States of Amnesia, as Gore Vidal calls us.
Thanks for the work you do.  NPR is rightly called &#039;National Propaganda Radio&#039;, by the way.  Not coincidental when the head of the Public Broadcasting Corporation is a Republican.  They hire corporate robots, not investigative reporters worth their pay there (except for Daniel Schorr).

&lt;em&gt;Alice, to answer your questions:&lt;/em&gt;

Arnold Friedman took an overdose of prescribed heart medication while in prison and died. His death was ruled a suicide, though some in his family dispute that. Seth prefers not to be associated with the film, so I will not give details about his life; it is a private one. Mrs. Friedman is remarried. Jesse is fighting his conviction and was recently granted a hearing on a motion to overturn his conviction, based on evidence that at least some of the children who accused him were hypnotized during therapy sessions held in conjunction with the accusations. The New York Times ran an article on these efforts a few days ago.
I am on the board of the National Center for Reason and Justice (NCRJ), the &quot;innocence project&quot; I mentioned above. NCRJ began sponsoring Jesse&#039;s innocence claim after &quot;Capturing the Friedmans&quot; came out. The group collects money for his appeal. He is being represented by Ron Kuby, a prominent attorney in New York City. You can contribute to Jesse&#039;s appeal fund by going to NCRJ&#039;s website: www.ncrj.com

As for your question: what do we do when witch hunting (what I often call &quot;moral panic&quot;) grows in the US? Everyone has his or her own way of responding. But in a nutshell, I think we need to support every democratic process we can that helps get objective, in-depth information to people. In any age and any country, moral panic and hysteria erupt from deep wellsprings of social anxiety. The springs these days are charged by cynical politicians and by media more out to make a buck than produce truthful, useful information. So we have to challenge the politicians and yellow journos, at the same time we try to find out as much as we can about the world, in order to quell our irrational fears about things that go bump in the night.

PS: Lately I&#039;ve been getting posts from people who sent them with fake email addresses. My blog is comment-moderated, and I often edit posts after letting senders  know beforehand that I&#039;m doing this. I will not post comments sent with fake email addresses -- or for which writers don&#039;t respond if I contact them. Also,  I do not post comments that I think are potentially libelous. Thanks. DN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the 2nd DVD on the Friedmans: the one with the movie on it was damaged, so I have yet to see it.  I was very impressed with your poise in that New York premier video, facing the lying detectives.  She obviously thought you would sit down meekly when she took the stage again.<br />
anyhow, here are my questions: &#8220;What did Mr. Friedman die of?&#8221;  &#8220;What happened to Seth? Mrs. Friedman?&#8221;  How can we help Jessie?.<br />
In general, what can we the public do, when this kind of public hysteria grows around us?  the witchhunting instinct seems to be part of this lynch mob mentality we get into in this country from time to time&#8230;&#8230;almost cyclically.  The United States of Amnesia, as Gore Vidal calls us.<br />
Thanks for the work you do.  NPR is rightly called &#8216;National Propaganda Radio&#8217;, by the way.  Not coincidental when the head of the Public Broadcasting Corporation is a Republican.  They hire corporate robots, not investigative reporters worth their pay there (except for Daniel Schorr).</p>
<p><em>Alice, to answer your questions:</em></p>
<p>Arnold Friedman took an overdose of prescribed heart medication while in prison and died. His death was ruled a suicide, though some in his family dispute that. Seth prefers not to be associated with the film, so I will not give details about his life; it is a private one. Mrs. Friedman is remarried. Jesse is fighting his conviction and was recently granted a hearing on a motion to overturn his conviction, based on evidence that at least some of the children who accused him were hypnotized during therapy sessions held in conjunction with the accusations. The New York Times ran an article on these efforts a few days ago.<br />
I am on the board of the National Center for Reason and Justice (NCRJ), the &#8220;innocence project&#8221; I mentioned above. NCRJ began sponsoring Jesse&#8217;s innocence claim after &#8220;Capturing the Friedmans&#8221; came out. The group collects money for his appeal. He is being represented by Ron Kuby, a prominent attorney in New York City. You can contribute to Jesse&#8217;s appeal fund by going to NCRJ&#8217;s website: <a href="http://www.ncrj.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncrj.com</a></p>
<p>As for your question: what do we do when witch hunting (what I often call &#8220;moral panic&#8221;) grows in the US? Everyone has his or her own way of responding. But in a nutshell, I think we need to support every democratic process we can that helps get objective, in-depth information to people. In any age and any country, moral panic and hysteria erupt from deep wellsprings of social anxiety. The springs these days are charged by cynical politicians and by media more out to make a buck than produce truthful, useful information. So we have to challenge the politicians and yellow journos, at the same time we try to find out as much as we can about the world, in order to quell our irrational fears about things that go bump in the night.</p>
<p>PS: Lately I&#8217;ve been getting posts from people who sent them with fake email addresses. My blog is comment-moderated, and I often edit posts after letting senders  know beforehand that I&#8217;m doing this. I will not post comments sent with fake email addresses &#8212; or for which writers don&#8217;t respond if I contact them. Also,  I do not post comments that I think are potentially libelous. Thanks. DN</p>
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		<title>By: Mark S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help me understand this.  How can someone who is affected by memory loss make it so the &quot;memory loss&quot; is selective?  How can Mr. Eichenwald remember every little detail of his experience with Mr. Berry, but selectively forget all the things he did which would have called his integrity and ethics into question?  The current stories are focusing on the wrong thing.  The real question and story is why Mr. Eichenwald only forgot those items.  As it stands right now he hasn&#039;t forgotten anything that makes him look good or any inconsequential details, only the secret payments and administrator access.  I can&#039;t believe someone isn&#039;t screaming foul a little louder on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please help me understand this.  How can someone who is affected by memory loss make it so the &#8220;memory loss&#8221; is selective?  How can Mr. Eichenwald remember every little detail of his experience with Mr. Berry, but selectively forget all the things he did which would have called his integrity and ethics into question?  The current stories are focusing on the wrong thing.  The real question and story is why Mr. Eichenwald only forgot those items.  As it stands right now he hasn&#8217;t forgotten anything that makes him look good or any inconsequential details, only the secret payments and administrator access.  I can&#8217;t believe someone isn&#8217;t screaming foul a little louder on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2007 03:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Ms. Nathan,

I&#039;m glad to see your response to the NPR piece. I found Folkenflik&#039;s bias actually fairly shocking, first because I have always relied on NPR as a source of even-handed information, and second because the degree of emotionalism Eichenwald displayed during the interview seemed to me to be seriously over the top.

Eichenwald seemed to be attempting to claim some higher moral ground for himself in his insistence that he was just saving an innocent boy from a life of depravity. Neither the extent of his involvement or the questionability of getting that involved in the first place were questioned.

Ugh. Just....ugh.

I left email on the NPR site telling them pretty much just what I told you, along with a comment that they had pretty seriously misrepresented your role in these events.

Best of luck and regards to you. I continue to admire your work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Ms. Nathan,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see your response to the NPR piece. I found Folkenflik&#8217;s bias actually fairly shocking, first because I have always relied on NPR as a source of even-handed information, and second because the degree of emotionalism Eichenwald displayed during the interview seemed to me to be seriously over the top.</p>
<p>Eichenwald seemed to be attempting to claim some higher moral ground for himself in his insistence that he was just saving an innocent boy from a life of depravity. Neither the extent of his involvement or the questionability of getting that involved in the first place were questioned.</p>
<p>Ugh. Just&#8230;.ugh.</p>
<p>I left email on the NPR site telling them pretty much just what I told you, along with a comment that they had pretty seriously misrepresented your role in these events.</p>
<p>Best of luck and regards to you. I continue to admire your work.</p>
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		<title>By: Just</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If he was aware that his secret epilepsy impacted his journalistic credibility, wouldn&#039;t he go to the extreme in keeping detailed and organized notes to protect that credibility?  Isn&#039;t that why reporters keep notes?  I&#039;m surprised Bush hasn&#039;t nominated Eichenwald for one of the many openings in his administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he was aware that his secret epilepsy impacted his journalistic credibility, wouldn&#8217;t he go to the extreme in keeping detailed and organized notes to protect that credibility?  Isn&#8217;t that why reporters keep notes?  I&#8217;m surprised Bush hasn&#8217;t nominated Eichenwald for one of the many openings in his administration.</p>
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		<title>By: See no evil, see it everywhere: The cloak of invisibility renders child porn more terrifying and harder to do anything about &#171; Sex in the Public Square</title>
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		<dc:creator>See no evil, see it everywhere: The cloak of invisibility renders child porn more terrifying and harder to do anything about &#171; Sex in the Public Square</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] renders child porn more terrifying and harder to do anything&#160;about  Jump to Comments Debbie Nathan raises a taboo but important point yesterday morning: We must be allowed to see the ch.... Why? Because we can&#39;t accurately report on that which we can&#39;t see. It&#39;s a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] renders child porn more terrifying and harder to do anything&nbsp;about  Jump to Comments Debbie Nathan raises a taboo but important point yesterday morning: We must be allowed to see the ch&#8230;. Why? Because we can&#38;#39;t accurately report on that which we can&#38;#39;t see. It&#38;#39;s a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NG</title>
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		<dc:creator>NG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2007 21:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s ironic about Folkenflik is that he&#039;s the same man who in 2001 slammed Geraldo Rivera over his reporting methods.

Maybe we ought to ask Folkenflik whether he likes red or white with his red herring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s ironic about Folkenflik is that he&#8217;s the same man who in 2001 slammed Geraldo Rivera over his reporting methods.</p>
<p>Maybe we ought to ask Folkenflik whether he likes red or white with his red herring.</p>
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